4 pages of nudity policy, single spaced
We had More Magazine in here recently and they did a minimally adequate job of covering us. While i enjoyed the writer of the piece, i knew that the piece was too ambitious. The magazine wanted her to cover three significantly different communities in 6000 words, then they cut the words she had to describe all three of us in half.
The article rightly criticizes Twin Oaks for being overly bureaucratic. And one of the specific examples of this is our policies (aka agreements) around toplessness and nudity on the farm. This policy (which is below) we are told by More is 4 pages long single spaced. Clearly, the implication is that this is excessive detail. But i would encourage people to read it. In some ways it is classic Twin Oaks.
We recognize that this problem is complex in terms of our own exposure to nudity, kids comfort, local relations etc. Not to mention the many different faces the community posses to the outside world. As i read this policy, lots of it is explanation, rather than only restrictions (tho there are lots of specific restrictions, which are done in a zoning type of way). It is in several places more like an ongoing conversation than a set of requirements. Which is why it is so long.
What the policy does not reflect as strongly as our culture does is the strong sense of solidarity around toplessness which has our restrictions applied equally to men as to women. If there are areas where women can not be topless because they contact the outside world, the expectation is that men will not be topless in these areas as well.
4/6/88 – passed by Cps (Community Planners)
I. A TWIN OAKS NUDITY POLICY
This policy is to serve to codify a set of community agreements about where and when nudity is OK.
Some of us want the options of nudity, or shirtlessness for women; others prefer not to see nudity.
Some of us have concerns around local relations.
If the local populace was aware of our casualness around nudity, we would very likely suffer a lot of harassment and perhaps spark a movement by local officials to try to drive Twin Oaks out of Louisa.
It is pretty clear that we are expected to wear clothes when we are likely to come in contact with outside people. This includes business people, hammocks customers, tour groups, food delivery people, the UPS person and the mail person.
The long term direction of Twin Oaks is to make all residence areas private and to put all public functions that are open to “outside” people clustered around the ridge road driveway, thus making this the Community’s front door.
The list below delineates where nudity is OK and where it’s not, but this policy shouldn’t supersede common sense or common courtesy.
II. NUDITY OK AND NOT OK ZONES
Places Where Nudity Is OK
your own bedroom
other people’s bedrooms
the woods (except close to our property lines)
the retreat cabin
Inside any residence (in general, though SLGs have the authority to make their own norms)
in Zhankoye during dances (unless the dance is planned in advance as otherwise)
the hammock shop after 9 P.M.
the sewer line between ZK and Tupelo
in courtyard after dark
in Clothing-optional Areas in the courtyard and at ZK (to be fenced/screened off for sunbathing):
the solar shower
Oneida front balcony
behind the old walk-in freezer
ZK deck, east end
Places Where a High Degree of Awareness is Necessary
Full nudity OK (but keep pants handy):
Degania, the chair shop, and the video space
the courtyard during a heavy rain
Shirtless for women OK (but keep shirts handy):
Ridge Road between ZK and Tupelo
ZK Kitchen (but also see below)
on Saturdays, anywhere tours are apt to go
Places Where It’s Not OK to be Nude
anyplace on our property where our neighbors can see us
adjacent to TO property (including 697)
hammock shop before 9 P.M.
outside the buildings in the courtyard
in Llano Kitchen before 9 P.M.
ZK (including slate walk area and picnic tables) except as noted above
the basketball court
the driveway by the garden
the garden path
the Aurora Road
Ridge Road from ZK to the gas pump
Tobacco Barn Road
Aurora (because guests, parents, etc., will be housed there)
Places of Special Consideration Because of Safety Factors
industrial areas (MT, EC, Oz)
Llano food processing
A note on Clothing-Optional Areas…
We’ve defined the solar shower (already a nude OK zone), the Oneida front balcony, behind the old walk-in (now that the old greenhouse is gone), and the east side of the ZK deck as areas which could be adapted for sunbathing/sunworking in security. Here’s how..
The Solar Shower – a sunbathing area – screening the west side from Llano, screening the east side by the solar collectors – wooden screens/fences for now; perhaps a permanent hedge/shrub for permanent screening.
Oneida Front Balcony – sunbathing and work area – cover the railing with a bamboo/plastic rollaway screen, to be put up and taken down by the users.
Behind the old walk-in – for sunbathing and nude weaving – screening off both sides, probably diagonally. It’s an area much easier to secure than behind Llano. Hedges/shrubs to replace the fencing eventually.
ZK deck, east side – for nude dining and sunbathing – a folding screen in front of the window, a bamboo/ plastic rolling cover for the railing, a folding screen to block off the east side of the deck. This will provide room for two picnic tables for nude diners and their friends, on warm days in Spring and Fall. For mid summer days when the deck is too hot, we propose one or two picnic tables be moved to behind and below the deck on the east side, eventually putting in a stairway off the east end of the deck to the ground.
If these are successfully implemented, we could add Behind Oneida (Izzy’s already planting there) and the TaChai Beach (if the SLG is so inclined) sometime in the future..
III. Special Concerns
1. Dealing With the Outside World. As long as we interface with the outside world, be they retail customers, sales and delivery people, or straight friends and relatives, we need to maintain a high degree of awareness and responsibility. To the outside world, nudity is embarrassing, uncomfortable — and often illegal. We cannot gain the respect of our neighbors, and the safety and security this provides for our continued existence here, if we refuse to acknowledge and respect their values and feelings. Because of this, we have to define nudity at Twin Oaks according to outside norms, and that, unfortunately, means shirtlessness for women, as well as pantlessness for all. A high degree of awareness means that even in nude OK zones, we have to balance our individual desire for freedom and comfort with the Community’s need for safety and security.
2. Our Kids. Our older children are in a particularly vulnerable position. Lacking age peers here, we send them to outside schools, armed with our values and support, but at the same time told to find their friends among their classmates out there. Many of us, as teenagers, suffered from teasing and loneliness because we were different or didn’t fit in’ surely we don’t want to put our children at risk for this kind of painful rejection. This means extending ourselves to find ways to make Twin Oaks home for our children as well as for ourselves.
3. Special Concerns around Shirtlessness for Women. When dealing with shirtlessness in no-nude zones, especially around the courtyard, the hammock shop deck and ZK, we must cop to outside norms for our nudity code. Because of this, we immediately create a condition where men can do something where women cannot.. Many people feel that this is unfair, and that raised consciousness and sensitivity around these feelings would be appreciated.
IV. Implementation of The Policy
a note about work areas..
The Llano food processing area, the ZK kitchen, MT, EC, and Oz are areas where for protection, clothing is often necessary, even on the hottest days. In addition, these are areas where deliveries may be made, or other outside people arrive unannounced. Common sense in attire for safety is called for, as well as an awareness around outside people suddenly appearing. For ZK, we propose installation of a buzzer outside the loading dock door as a “shirt alert.” The blue ZK aprons can be worn as protective coverings by food processors, cooks and K-shifters in lieu of shirts when the temperature calls for it. Keeping shirts handy at Oz and EC seems wise, at times when deliveries are apt to happen. At MT, an extra high degree of awareness is necessary as the parking lot becomes increasingly more public.
a question of balance..
We think that establishment of safe, accessible, clothing-optional areas for those who prefer nudity requires a balance for those who would prefer that our norms were more conservative. With safe places to go in the courtyard and at ZK, there should no longer be the necessity to bare it casually. Accordingly, we are changing some of the Committee’s originally designated nude-OK areas to Higher Awareness or Not OK. The Degania yard and the front of ZK, for example, as we look to the day when the MT/ZK intersection becomes the Community’s front door; ZK dining and lounge areas, to provide a place for our members and older children to entertain guests in the evening.
We also need to remember that on Saturday afternoons, our home is officially open to outsiders who may have some connection with TO, or who may be merely curious. We’d like to make it a strong norm that tour guides check before entering a residence or “high awareness” area, and that we all be extra aware on Saturday afternoons, keeping clothes on whenever possible during tour hours.
The norm continues to be that hosts post 3×5’s in advance of their guests’ arrival, and indicate how these guests feel about our mores. There is also an equal responsibility on the part of members to keep themselves informed about potential guests by checking the 3×5 regularly (perhaps we could have a section of the 3×5 as Guest Info). The host should be able to state clearly what potential problems might be, and take responsibility for shielding guests/members from each other when appropriate. But it is also OK for those whose home this is, especially our kids, to ask for special consideration around special guests, and for the Community to take responsibility for accommodating these needs.
It is the responsibility of hosts to tell their guests about our nudity policy and to make sure that members, as well as the guests, are not made to feel uncomfortable. Guests who might be uncomfortable with nudity and our open bathroom policy should be housed in Aurora, if at all possible.
“TO is our home, but not of all TO is anyone’s personal private residence.” Living in community provides us with a larger degree of freedom than we could probably find anywhere else, but also exacts a large measure of personal responsibility to ensure living in harmony with each other.
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- February 8, 2021 -
Our updated one isn’t a whole lot different and is currently posted on our O&I board. What I find interesting is the definition of “topless” which we never defined and has been creatively interpreted by some (mostly male) communards. One fella is going around with a filmy scarf around his neck, tucked into his pants in front to cover his tits.
I always interpreted it to mean exposed nipples, but you are correct that “topless” is a teeny tiny bit unclear. I think I gave a dude some band-aids once (to cover his nipples) so he could go through the steam-table line.
It’s been a while but when I was visiting TO I was wearing a bra in front of ZK (in deference to the nudity rules, and as a visiting EWer I thought I was being excessively modest), and I got yelled at in front of everyone for my self exposure so thoroughly that I decided not to move there even though my partner was going to, and did. It was awful! High emotions around nudity in either direction, I suppose, though I never understood it myself. I’ll have to read the article, I’m always interested in what other people think about community norms!
I think that you would not get yelled at for that now. Or at least my experience here this past year has led me to believe that. I’ve come to meals in a sports bra or bathing suit top.
Because Twin Oaks and its location and lifestyle(s) were not designed with nudity in mind, it has led to all these awkward compromises. In contrast, the pond was very well designed with nudity in mind, and is not awkward at all and requires no compromise. The future will look like this: http://blip.tv/politics-from-the-heart/my-naked-truth-tv-zac-part-1-6207439
There was, from my viewpoint, a striking difference between the pre-policy experimental period (there was a two-month flirtation with no-holds-barred nudity, all bare, any time, anywhere) and the following year, after this encyclopedic tome had been firmly installed. The very point of allowing toplessness had been diminished.
We fell back, mostly, into mainstream gender roles. Everyone had accepted that bottmomless was a thing of the past, but men felt much more comfortable being topless than women, and the few women I observed exercising that right got the stink-eye more often than did men.
That’s my observation from a 2005-2006 perspective. I hope more women feel more comfortable being topless now than then.
I really like a detailed policy, and think that the writer’s critique based on length is hooey. I think that the process is a bore and a pain in the ass, but I like having a clear agreement to follow. I believe that if there is a clear rule to follow, it’s less likely that someone is going to accuse me of acting in bad faith.
The thing about a specific rule is that once you’ve decided a general framework, you don’t have to rethink the whole scheme unless you want to. Instead, the details can be tweaked. Without specifics, the general understanding of the agreement is bound to be challenged over and over and over, and generate repeated endless controversies about the same damn thing.
A general rule has advantages, but many limitations to its usefulness. If the rule is very broad, like “don’t be a dick” or “don’t take unfair advantage of others,” we’d never come to terms about whether I was acting like a dick or whether you were taking unfair advantage of me. I would feel more exposed (ahem) to having to defend myself if the rule was “use discretion and be considerate of others’ feelings when choosing what variety and amount of clothes to wear. Be mindful especially not to expose yourself to nonmembers.” We would argue forever about whether I practiced discretion, was considerate, or mindful, and the controversy would never end.
I think I am legalistic and narrow, and this is not always a good thing. But I believe in agreements, damnit, and following them! The best agreements are specific enough that I can tell whether we are abiding with them. If we are not, we must come to a new agreement.
Shunryu Suzuki, the abbot of a monastery, when confronted by monks stealing food out of the refrigerator, surprised his students by advising them to put a lock on the fridge. Sometimes having a well defined container of an agreement helps people to slosh about freely inside.
I served on the three-person committee to “update” the nudity policy (circa 2004-2005?) and I would be curious to re-read the updated version. I remember being wholly unsatisfied with the final result but such is the nature of compromise. I appreciate the comments here.
i will see if i can get the modified/updated version on here. i believe all the TO policies are online.
Paxus at Twin Oaks
15 Redder 2012